I've made Liturgy a custom namespace. This means you can filter the list of all pages for Liturgy pages, and means you can have custom styles used just in this namespace by editing MediaWiki:Monobook.css. This example shows how you could have an automatic yellow background for all Liturgy pages (which are in namespace 100). Angela 18:05, 12 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- Thanks for that, Angela. I hope it wasn't too much work to shift everything around. I realise I should have asked to set up the custom namespace before we started creating articles — sorry. Do you have any suggestions for a look? --Gareth Hughes 12:48, 14 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- Hmmm... no, I'm not the best person to advise on that. The last time I did a presentation about design on Wikipedia, I used my own custom stylesheet to demonstate the problems of letting users customise the site themselves. :) Angela 05:13, 15 Apr 2005 (EDT)
- OK, I get the idea! Maybe we'll stick with the sunflower, and perhaps use that yellow background for the time being. --Gareth Hughes 22:04, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I've made you an admin so you can edit that. This also means you can delete pages, block users etc. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide. Angela 00:53, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Angela. This is the first time I've had admin access, so I've tried to do a little tinkering with the CSS and set up a tagline. I'm thinking of setting up a new wiki.jpg (I'll test reaction on the forum). Is it possible to set different logos and taglines for the liturgy namespace, or (as I assume) do they apply to the entire wiki? Thanks. --Gareth Hughes 19:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi Garzo. Thanks for welcoming me here. This is my first wiki experience and I already enjoy it very much. Wikicities is wonderful. --Cesareborgia 13:14, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your note! I appreciate any suggestions on my wiki efforts, as I'm still learning the Wiki ropes. I do alot of web publishing and I'm a software/hardware consultant/developer (C++, Java, embedded, you name it), so I can usually figure out most things. It is nice to know you're keeping tabs on this area.
Rlv 12:12, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi again, Garzo! Thanks for changing the Västerport pages into categories. I was just last night thinking about doing that, and was going to do it this morning, but thank you (!) for getting to it before me! Also to create a category called Church Portals was I thinking about, but yet again... Thank you! :)
- No problem: I simply felt that it would be good to be able to navigate through the wiki in the category namespace. If you start at Category:What is religion?, you should be able to get to every page in main namespace. Have fun, and correct any spurious svenska that I might write near your pages (I have a tendency to get it wrong)! --Gareth Hughes 16:52, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Hey Garzo, Actually if I have this right, Buddhist Terms would be better as a category of Buddhism and the Terms themselves Articles of Buddhist Terms. As that possible?
- Yes, it is possible. However, if you want to say anything about a subject, it is better to write your article in the main namespace (that is, don't prefix it with category:). Use the category namespace to group related articles together. You don't need to write anything on the category page. In fact, it is better to leave the details to the individual articles. Thus, write about Buddhism in Buddhism, and place it in Category:Buddhism with other, related articles. --Gareth Hughes 23:05, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Opps, I was setting up categories excactly how you were explaining not to :) Thanks I'll change that Bodhisattva2be 17:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Bodhisattva2be 17:47, 11 May 2005 (UTC): What happened to the Religion-wiki logo?
Love the new logo. Funny how the cross is in the center, bias are we :). Kidding aside, it's nice. Bodhisattva2be 15:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought someone would notice that. The original source of the drawing had the Magen David, Cross and Crescent in a diagonal line. I added Yin-Yang and Aum, but that meant that the Cross then became central. I don't want this logo to be the final product: it's more of a 'what do you think'. If we could have a design with a few more religious symbols organised in more neutral fashion, I would love to have it. May be this will get a few people working on designs: why not write your thoughts at the Religion-wiki:forum. --Gareth Hughes 16:07, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks, Angela. --Gareth Hughes 16:27, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
2005-05-29 (about templates)
I would like a list over all the templates that you have made, Gareth. Maybe we could use it in some other way in other places. I am making some swedish templates to be used on the Västerport pages, but because they are in swedish you should not put those on your list. A suggestion is to put it in a page called Special:Templates or something like that. It would be great to get an overview. If you already have such a list and I haven't found it, then it's my fault... --Peter R 14:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
2005-05-29 (talking about this wiki)
My second Q for this day (please, don't miss the first one right above this one). Should we really talk in this place regarding the general wiki structure? Wouldn't it be better to use for example Talk:Community Portal or something like that?--Peter R 14:32, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Response to Peter
I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for. This page lists everything in the template namespace.
Unfortunately, even though Religion-wiki was set up by a German, the entire interface is in English (you have to use Category: instead of Kategori:). It may be possible to make the interface multilingual, but I'm not sure how to go about it.
As for communication, you got my attention pretty well by writing here. If you wanted a broader discussion, Forum might have been a better place to stop. I think project talk:Community Portal is best kept for discussion about how we use that page. --Gareth Hughes 15:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks - that template page was great! I din't know of that one. What I was thinking of (but this will work) is something looking like Wikipedia:Templates.
- I'm not interested in using "Kategori:", even though I tend to do that mistake all the time...
- Forum will do fine. That was what I was looking for. I think it should be easier to find all the "Need to"-pages for users. Could you maybe make a list somewhere that is easily read and which points to all these great pages? I am very confused all the time, when looking through aome of the pages. "Religion-wiki:Community Portal", for example, sounded for me to be a portal where the community came together. But that wasn't at all what the page was for. --Peter R 17:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- BTW: If uoy please would delete the template called Template:Västerport1. I haven't used it, and it got all wrong. I'm using only the Template:Västerport for every page instead. --Peter R 17:37, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
OK, I've deleted the old template for you. As everything here is still relatively new, including the templates, I hadn't thought about a page displaying those we've got. Please feel free to create one if you like. In some ways, Main Page, Community Portal and WikiNode are slightly different access points. Basically, I've set up the category namespace so that Category:What is religion? is the top level category for all article pages, and Category:Help and maintenance pages contains all of what it says it does.
--Gareth Hughes 18:44, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the welcome
Hi, Gareth. Thanks for the comment. I'm actually fairly new to Wikidom, but having a lot of fun learning my way around the interface. You've done a really nice job on here and I hope you're able to keep building the community. I'll check out the help pages and see if there's anything I can add. blessings, PhilipR 13:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hello again, I finished the setup for Chapter 1 of John as a model on Wikibooks Chapter 1 with 2 contributors, wonder if you could check for any glaring errors. Also, someone noted Chapter 2 for deletion, was my response appropriate? Of course, the rules might have to bend to keep it under Christianity and not Annotated Text, it is a hybrid. Is it worthy of a book effort or Religion-wiki and was there a better way to present the Aramaic name Keepa? Seems most of the Peshitta commentaries use phonetic syllablism. Athrash 23:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- The work on John 1 and 2 is very interesting. I particularly like the talk page of John 1. I wonder if the annotation should be made more explicit on the module page. If I get some time, I would like to help you with these. The Aramaic name of Peter is usually rendered as Cephas in English (via Latin and Greek). The final sigma is a Greek prosthetic (Κηφας); the Aramaic name is ܟܝܦܐ or כיפא. The Aramaic letters are KYP'. In many dialects of Aramaic, K and P can be either hard or soft. In this word, it is likely that K was /k/ and P was /f/. The first vowel is represented by a consenantal Y, which would basically represent /i/. However, as there is some tradition supporting a close /e/ that may be more appropriate. The final vowel is marked by alaph, which would usually be an open-back /a/. However, there is some evidence that this may have been pronounced slightly higher, like /ɔ/. I would, therefore, recomend something more like Kepha, Keypha or Keyfo. It all depends on whether you want the name to look recognisable as Cephas or a just a bit novel! --Gareth Hughes 09:49, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Wow, you have ISO codes for the Syriac script, or whatever the terminology for cursive Aramaic, it is beautiful beyond belief when inserted in v. 42 margin. On experimentation, the wiki software accepts <>span style: attributes<> to produce the right size font. Used /f/ for P since "ph" was already stressed. And since, already showing Messiah as phonetic spelling in v. 17, v. 41 could display actual script for Messiah, if you have it. Thanks so much. Athrash 22:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Back down to earth, Netscape and Firefox browsers display something entirely different (on second glance, maybe same letters, but non-cursive, so might work), seemed like a marvelous idea, anyway. Will keep the script version on my experimental page. Athrash 03:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I've noticed that Gecko (the Firefox layout engine) has some trouble with Syriac. This seems to be context based. The Aramaic for Cephas appears correctly above, but not on your page -- I think it might be because you have it in a table. There's no easy fix to this. If you write the word backwards, it will display backwords in other browsers, and non-printing Unicode control characters do not seem to alter the direction of rendering. On another tack, I wonder if the Hebrew משיח, rather than the Aramaic משיחה, is more represented by the Greek Μεσσιας. The point is moot as Greek does not tranliterate the letter heth in this case. --Gareth Hughes 21:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The story goes on, but a wonderful Story, it is, the whole premise of Modernity as unique is now based on an introduction to Aramaic, even if there are only a handful of actual scripted words. Check the image and if that is correct, then the insert looks almost the same as separate characters, marvelous, in fact. If that upload is cursive aPYK, the K confused me somewhat, because in Gecko (Firefox) the non-cursive K had a tail like our "y" and if that is more correct, the upload image can be revised by my print screen JPEG of the letters backwards. Athrash 02:28, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Don't worry, the image of Cephas in Syriac is the right way round. When the letter kaph is final it does have a tail. Take a look at Wikipedia:Syriac alphabet for more details. All Unicode fonts seem to produce the Estrangelo style of Syriac at the moment. --Gareth Hughes 10:05, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ah, I'm learning, because of the browser glitch, the K was read as ending K with tail. Chapter 1 now contains Kepha − image inline. Sorry, I am taking up your whole page here, but this opens up a whole new vista, since there is a discussion page behind each image upload to elaborate on the word presentation. I was struck by the remarkable coincidence that the trailing alaph in the small setting of the words side by side resembles the English K, even though Syriac is right to left. To God be the Glory. Athrash 20:18, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
One more line, experimentation this site, question was, will both AR. and HEB. Messiah fit and are they correctly presented in verse 41 and the no border look becomes an option. If so rendered, four original scripts in adjacent verses, not bad. OK, two lines. Athrash 05:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) ... No answer, but arrangement appears usable.
One more question, first, prayers extended for the victims of the tragedy in London and what a day intended for comfortable words discussion. Our only comfort. I said, if I reach John 3:16, that's a milestone, but I jumped ahead last night because the table was doing strange things on Wikibooks. The reference to John 3:16 in Robertson's Word Pictures intrigued me, saying this "Little Gospel" and "this comfortable word". Does the margin comment presenting each (1 of 4) verse as a word read correctly? The verses, The Comfortable Words, are not labeled as such in the U.S. BCP p. 331 (Holy Eucharist I). I should add "This" to Little Gospel, I believe this refers to John 3:16 only. Athrash 00:39, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- I join you in your prayers for London at this time: it is certainly a resilient city and a resilient people. The 1549 Prayer Book of Edward VI has:
Heare what coumfortable woordes our sauiour Christ sayeth, to all that truely turne to him.
- Come unto me all that trauell, and bee heauy laden, and I shall refreshs you. So God loued the worlde that he gaue his onely begotten sonne, to the ende that al that beleue in hym, shoulde not perishe, but haue lyfe euerlasting.
Heare also what saint Paul sayeth.
- This is a true saying, and woorthie of all men to bee receiued, that Jesus Christe came into thys worlde to saue sinners.
Heare also what saint John sayeth.
- If any man sinne, we haue an aduocate with the father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propiciacion for our sinnes.
- These words have become a very important part of Anglican tradition.
- Thinking about the Aramaic spelling of Messiah, משיחה is a bit of a Hebraism, and it may be more correct to quote משיחא (with a final aleph rather than he). Final aleph endings are rare in Hebrew, but very common in Aramaic; often, in Jewish Aramaic, the aleph is replaced by the more common he ending. --Gareth Hughes 12:02, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Welcome back, sabbatical I presume, Wikibooks is a riot, this could get lengthy. I had a Tischendorf moment, having mastered the Greek (Ha, Ha) I went to the ancient Latin, then something older. John 3 has an introductory occasional Latin Word Picture at verse 20, the Codex Bezae comes to light accepting F.H Chase terminology. Are you comfortable with Chase? An evaluation would be appreciated. Success with Kepha opened the door to other selected word (phrase) pictures in the ancient languages. Athrash 02:49, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I just wondered what the purpose of this wiki is. Is it for gathering information or discussion or what? I am confused. I mean, there's a large article on Christianity in the english Wikipedia. Is that the sort of thing you want here? Thanking you muchly in advance, ----Celestianpower talk 13:21, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
- We're not here to reproduce WP content, but we are still here to produce articles. In the early stages of development, we did let discussion flow over onto the article pages, but it seems that we'd prefer to keep that on the talk pages now. The difference between our articles and Wikipedia's is that we do not hold to NPOV, but rather MPOV. This allows us to take a more discursive and subjective take on religious themes. --Gareth Hughes 14:09, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Garzo! 184.108.40.206 is spamming. Can you block him? Or what shall we do to these people?
Dear Garzo, I'd like to invite you to join the RWiki Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rwiki/.
Here's my preliminary description of the group:
This group is an informal association of administrators of religiously-based wikis. Most of us are using MediaWiki, but administrators of other wiki engines are also invited to join.
We envision this as a low-volume list where administrators of religiously rooted wiki communities can trade tips and ideas, work together to fight spambots and vandals, and so on.
RWiki is sponsored by OrthodoxWiki (http://www.orthodoxwiki.org). It is open to wikis based in all "recognized" religious communities. This generally does not include NRMs or groups commonly described as "cults."
The archives of this list are kept private, and membership is restricted to those who genuinely qualify for this kind of group.
Yours in Christ
FrJohn from http://orthodoxwiki.org
Thought I would pop in and say hello. I hope you dont mind what I have done so far. If I overstep just let me know. ;) --H. H. Patriarch Anthony I 18:01, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- Hello. It's good to meet you. I confess that I don't spent enough time doing things on this site, so all that you can spare is good. I set up the liturgy namespace as a place to gather material for use and reflection in Christian worship. That is my big project, but it has been 'on hold' for a while now. I put together the religion calendar and try to keep that up to date as well: I'm glad to see you have been helping to wind the clock too! I have been given sysop priviledges, so let me know if there are any of those tools you would like me to use for you. --Gareth Hughes 12:24, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
From the Indian Subcontinent
Hello. You left a message at the India Wiki. Thanks. I think I am about the only active member there--if you can call me that. I am also the founder of the Pakistan and Genealogy WikiCities. I'll see what I can do here. —iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 20:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
- It's good to see you. I sympathize: life can get a little lonely in small Wikicities. You might want to look at religion calendar construction to see if I've got the various Indian calendars and festivals right. I think the Islamic calendar is OK, though. --Gareth Hughes 22:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I've been a little reluctant to ask for this, but the last round of what appears to be anti-mormon activity has been driving me a bit nuts. Could you make me a sysop here? I could really use access to a Rollback button.--19:26, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, Kirk. That vandalism is really annoying, isn't it? I didn't think that I could give you sysop rights, but apparently I've just done that. Let me know if it doesn't work. — Gareth Hughes 10:59, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- It worked. Your ability is one of the differences between being a Bureaucrat and a Sysop. What gets me about the vandalism here, is that it seems happen in clusters, rather than scattered as elsewhere. Not sure why.-- 19:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Background Texture for articles
Just wondering if you might be interested in the idea of a textured background color that could be used set the articles apart from the rest of the screen. I have a couple of sample textures that you can look at if interested.--Kirk 22:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, that looks good. I had used a background to create the liturgy section, so it would be possible to give different namespaces different backgrounds. — Gareth Hughes 20:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I am requesting that I be made a Sysop/administrator. I feel it would give me a chance to thwart the plans of vandals.Tyluthan 21:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
With all due respect why did you revert back to the pages with excessive redlinks? I removed them so Wikia woould be a better site. The redlinks mean it is linked to a page that no longer exists and It ruins the page.Tyluthan 16:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. please let me be a Sysop.
- Hello, Tyluthan. You seem to be having fun with your new religion. Generally, red links are felt to be good, as they show us which articles are left to be created, so please leave red links in place, or help turn them blue. Also, please do not edit other users' userpages (as you did to [User:BlankVerse]]). Please user-talk pages to contact other users. At the moment, Religion-wiki is not big enough to need another admin. If you can help this wiki to grow, we might need you then. Thank you. — Gareth Hughes 18:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
All right, I completly understand about the redlinks. It makes sense. And with all due respect Tyluthan is not a "new" religion. It is rather old. And I was unaware that I edited any user pages. I will try to be more carefull next time. Tyluthan 19:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot to say I like this place more that wikipedia. Tyluthan 19:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I have an idea. Could you make me an admin for the pages I create and none others? If that is possible how does that sound? Tyluthan 17:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for putting a catagory for the Tyluthan pages, but it needs to be removed from the "cunstructed pages" category. No matter how much i want to take credit for its creation that would be a lie. I am but a follower of it. Like i said thanx for putting it to a category. Tyluthan 18:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK, but who should the credit go to? — Gareth Hughes 21:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
That is the problem; no one can take credit for it. The only person that could is Selex and well obviously He can not verify it. This is one of those "You just gotta take my word for it" situations. -User:Tyluthan
Hi. It is me again. I have two requests. One is that you delete the Category:Tyluthan holidays page. I accidentally created it. Also i have put about 7 pages up and would like you to re-think your rejection of me as a Sysop. Thanx for your understanding. P.S. i put it under my Ip address if you ask why the Category:Tyluthan holidays page isn't by user:Tyluthan. Thanx Tyluthan 00:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- OK that's gone, but I wonder what you do when it's not 13 January? — Gareth Hughes 08:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
What do you mean? I am not finished with putting the calender up on the web. And thanx for deleting that page. Tyluthan 16:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC) P.S. sorry to bother you like this.
- That's no prob. Congratulations on your queey-ship by the way! — Gareth Hughes 16:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, thanks. It's gonna be difficult but but hey, it's worth it. Thanx again. Tyluthan 20:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Just seeing if there are enough pages for me to be an admin. Sorry to bother you. Tyluthan 15:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok. While I feel it is wrong that it was removed I understand what it could offend. Could I put a "Warning this may be offensive to some" on the sections where stuff was removed and have the full HBoT? Tyluthan 23:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I just remembered that there was one thing I had meant to say but forgot to; while you are 100% right about the Non sensitivity to fags and Muslims you are wrong about the Women part. In fact Women are much more Holy than men. It is just one of the things about Tyluthan. It clearly says in the HBoT that some may feel our beliefs are wrong and irrational. And annother thing is that no one is forced to convert to Tyluthan. It is a choice. The only way one is forced to become a Tyluthan is if BOTH of there parents are a Tyluthan. But like I said: fags and muslims are worthless shits and women are more holy than men.
Before you revert the Hell page let me tell you why i removed some of the redlinks: Because they are irrelevant to religion. My goal is the make the page as best as possible. Tyluthan 18:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi! It's me again. Sorry to bother you but I was wondering if there were enough pages yet for me to be an admin. Plus if I accidently created a page I could delete it myself without bothering you if you made me an admin. Tyluthan 19:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
hey, feel free to get some facts off of the Judaism Wiki. w:c:judaism
I got a question. Please reply on my page.
I tried to upload a photo but it wouldn't work. What size and format must u use?
- You can upload JPEGs, GIFs and PNGs. If you are worried about the size of the file, you could compare it to the size of those already uploaded by consulting the upload log. — Gareth Hughes 18:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Your really helpfull around here. Tyluthan 00:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Garzo. Tyluthan is not a created religion. In no way was it made for wikia. Please remove all of thoses notices and don't put them there. - User:Tyluthan
- It does appear to be made up by you. I don't deny that it may be a meaningful religion for you, but I do challenge its wider existence beyond pages here and one or a few followers. The tags have been reinstated, but please present your concerns on the forum. Someone else has already questioned the appropriateness of my actions, so you might get some support from others. — Gareth Hughes 22:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Why dont you check the debate?
Check the Tyluthan debate. Someone added stuff
Garzo, User:Tyluthan here. Check out the Tyluthan wiki. http://editthis.info/tyluthanwiki/Main_Page feel free to create an account if you want. BTW sorry I was being a bit of an asshole.
Garzo-I have sent you a few messages. I do not know if you have gotten them but please check out those links. I promise there is no pornography.
hi Garzo, I am KJ. There is a new wiki request about religion topic from User:RyGuy. He has a religion wiki. That would be great for you to invite Ryguy to join this wiki and help him to move all articles from his wikisite. Thank you. --KJ_(talk) 10:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I dont think you know me. but i am an active user of wikia. I am also active using your wiki http://religion.wikia.com. besides your wiki i am the administrator of
with some help from the wiki staff i managed to interlink your wiki to my wiki's. I was wondering if i could have the Admin Sysop status on religion wiki It tried to contact every sysops but i dont see much activity from any sysops. I havent got any responde yet.
I would like to ad a good manual to this wiki. for example i would like to ad a template manual. besides that I would like to change and guard the Monaco.css so i can improve and add new items to the layout wich you can't without sysop status. At the moment we are using the default (standard) layout. I guess this is never changed. I have some knowledge about webdesign, wiki language and scripting. I think that will be also handy with this wiki.
I noticed that you are interested in the eastern churches. (orthodox syrian church). It is a really interesting subject. If you want we can cooperate with eachother in the religion wiki. I have lived for a while in Israel and have met a lot of eastern churches. My wife is Melkite greek catholic.
Concern to the religion wiki. I really would like the sysop status in order to addapt the layout and i noticed that we need some active moderating. there are users for example who are putting Joke Religions on this wiki. These subjects should be catorized in a special folder or tagged with a template. there is already such a template but this is a job for a sysops. sadly i noticed that your last edit is from 2007.
regards Friso Schaap
Sgt.Friso 08:13, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm hoping this is the proper place to bring this up, as I couldn't find any private messaging systems, email addresses or the like. I'd like this page, as well as the image linked to it, erased. It's had no edits beyond my own previous ones and presumably no significant views as of late, so hopefully it shouldn't be a problem for you.
I wonder if you are still active here. I ve noticed you have quit some knowledge about the syriac eastern orthodox church. It would be great if we could establish a portal page from this subject. -- Friso Yoyon Schaap (talk) 00:51, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
Hello Gareth I noticed that you are still not active since my last post to you. I have also posted a message on your wikipedia user page and have send you a mail on your website. I dont want to sound rude but maybe you should give up the administrator rank so I can pass the rank to someone else. --Friso Yoyon Schaap(Talk) • (Religion Wiki Administrator) 21:27, January 17, 2010 (UTC)